hi, the new cvs doesnt work for me...it fails checking out stuff. example: try "cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at noncvs.freedesktop.org:/cvs/dri co drm" and it will fail to co dristat.c. downgraded to 1.12.12 and it works again. also some e17 cvs modules gave me some server/client errors that went away with 1.12.12. cmak