New 2.6.0 naming

[Moritz Heiber]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:34:49 +0200
Hendrik Visage <hvisage at envisage.co.za> wrote:

Next time please write your answer to the lunar-dev instead to the
lunar-user list.

> On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 09:31:56AM -0500, elaine wrote:
> > Keep the name, it's just a name, a rose by any other name 
> > still has thorns :-)
> > 
> Whoa, you *are* pessimistic... but not as pessimistic/paranoid....

But absolutely true.

> > On kernels, I'd like to see some experimentation with snapshots
> > of glibc+nptl. NPTL was merged into glibc back in september and
> > is probably getting close to release.
> 
> Which will be adding two (three??) unknowns into the picture,
> ie. (1) kernel (2) fancy glibc (3) driver integration/porting (ala
> nVidia etc.)

Yes, since we want a full featured, stable and fast environment.

> > I think the right time to release a new 'stable' 2.6 kernel into
> > moonbase is after we have a working & stable glibc+NPTL.
> 
> Make some sense, however, rather get people to get a stablish 2.6.x 
> working sooner rather than later, as (3) above is going to be fun, and
> then you have the NPTL to content with too.... nVidia's drivers
> already have fun with the nptl (afair)  and non-nptl versions....
> 
> So rather try and get the kernel at least running as best as possible,
> then add the rest.

Nope, I disagree.

a) We'll have to wait for Nvidia to release a new driver that is
rather running out of box in connection with 2.6.x than using ugly third
party patches (Yes, I know .. they're working ... but still).

b) Having a good glibc integration is half of the way for wining the
price. I don't want to force two glibc recompiles for every user out
there just because we had to commit unfinished business.

c) Read the article about 2.6 at http://www.kerneltrap.org (Especially
Andrew's "MUST FIX" and "HAS TO BE FIXED" lists). You'll get the idea.

Moreover a close friends of mine is doing support at Gentoo's forums and
I know that he and his fellow friends are getting absolutely nuts about
2.6 kernel users complaining about issues that are either kernel related
(Bugs that are yet to be solved) or incompatibilities with the new
device/information structure of the new kernel.

So the list is:

1) Test the new kernel, even be on the lookout for 2.6.1 (I expect it
for mid January).
2) Integrate and test the new glibc.
3) Integrate and test the new (yet to come) Nvidia drivers.
4) Xfree? $ISSUE_WITH_2.6
5) Push it out.

Lets avoid all that "2.6 hype" and do some real testing on this new baby
before getting it out.

Bye,

Moritz

-- 
Moritz Heiber

Lunar Linux developer: http://www.lunar-linux.org
XFce4 desktop environment: http://xfce.org
Moritz Heiber[at]SPLiNe: http://moe.spline.de
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